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 文章主題 : 關於水冷問題
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係呢度睇到好多關於水冷機的討論,我發覺好多都係討論因為機入面果個溫度計唔能夠反影缸內水的實際溫度,導致閞關頻密,又耗電又難達到目的,當然中一個好大的因素就係水冷機自身無循環泵,又要靠濾水器的循環流力,咁樣就會大大影響左佢冷凍功能,確實另大家愛養草同蝦的新手好煩惱,當然我係其中一個!
係呢度借個機會想請教各位師兄們一D問題,好讓我地呢D新手學下野︰
1. 我個缸係24吋,室內環境無開冷氣,我睇住果d矮珍珠一日一日枯謝,我諗原因都係溫度過高,無開燈水溫28度,開燈後最高32度,我想買部水冷機,但我個過濾器係EHEIM classic 2211,睇到你地講話一定唔夠推,即係又要換過一個勁d的型號,如果用海利130或150的話,最好用邊個型號的EHEIM好?
2. 如果唔將海利個深頭改為外置,就算換左一個勁D型號的過濾器,又是否仍然會開關得好頻密?
3. 如果選擇用冷凍片制冷的水冷機,是否不用換濾水器?開機時間會好長好食電呢?若然唔洗換濾水器又唔係好食電的話,有無咩牌子介紹?


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1. 我個缸係24吋,室內環境無開冷氣,我睇住果d矮珍珠一日一日枯謝,我諗原因都係溫度過高,無開燈水溫28度,開燈後最高32度,我想買部水冷機,但我個過濾器係EHEIM classic 2211,睇到你地講話一定唔夠推,即係又要換過一個勁d的型號,如果用海利130或150的話,最好用邊個型號的EHEIM好?No plants can survive at 32c. If you're going to have a chiller, you should have at least 2217 or 2026 canister to push.
2. 如果唔將海利個深頭改為外置,就算換左一個勁D型號的過濾器,又是否仍然會開關得好頻密?The use of the external thermo is for accurate measure of the water temperature inside the tank.
3. 如果選擇用冷凍片制冷的水冷機,是否不用換濾水器?開機時間會好長好食電呢?若然唔洗換濾水器又唔係好食電的話,有無咩牌子介紹?Forget about the "冷凍片" chillers. They don't work for a 24" tank. Anyway, you still need a 2217/ 2026.

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Thank you very much for your answer!
How about the chiller? I find many people talk about Artica, What is different between 海利 & Artica
其實我第2點想問︰若果係配合左2217/2026濾水器,乜野或者邊隻水冷會有好d的表現,唔會成日有開關頻密又凍唔到d水!


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Thank you very much for your answer!
How about the chiller? I find many people talk about Artica, What is different between 海利 & ArticaThe difference is: Toyota vs Benz. Artica is great but it's very expensive. For example, Mini costs $4,050 and Hailea 130A may only costs ~$2,200. The price tells the difference in their quality. Having that said, Hailea is already good enough. As an alternative, you may choose Teco TR5. It is of the same price of Hailea and it's made in Italy.
其實我第2點想問︰若果係配合左2217/2026濾水器,乜野或者邊隻水冷會有好d的表現,唔會成日有開關頻密又凍唔到d水!Don't worry, they're more or less the same.

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我今日去左金魚街問下個價錢,2217或者2026都要過千銀!Teco TR5要HKD2200,咁個售貨員就介紹JBL有隻濾桶好抵用,900L/hr果隻都係HKD540,佢又話係德國貨,但唔知點解同EHEIM價錢差咁遠?會唔會係大陸貨?請問要幾多lit/hr先推到TR5?
另外我見有一間賣水草店佢放左隻小型電子溫度針係個草缸度,我好奇睇下水溫有28.5度,我留意個草缸都係主要種迷矮、珍珠同六角苔,都種得好好喎!但我自己毎缸D珍珠草雖然無水冷,但每日都放冰罇都Keep到26至28度,就一日衰過一日,所以忽然想起果4支24W的T5管,近日發覺開左成7,8個鐘都無乜氣泡上,我估計會唔會有問題,而其他草都生得唔係咁好!但果4支管都係用左9個月咋,會唔會D光管有問題?CO2大約一秒一粒,不過近日又發現黑毛藻,可能要加番大D CO2先得,而家都KEEP住一個星期換水1/3,請大哥俾D意見,有無邊隻T5管耐用D?


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我今日去左金魚街問下個價錢,2217或者2026都要過千銀!Teco TR5要HKD2200,咁個售貨員就介紹JBL有隻濾桶好抵用,900L/hr果隻都係HKD540,佢又話係德國貨,但唔知點解同EHEIM價錢差咁遠?會唔會係大陸貨?請問要幾多lit/hr先推到TR5?Yes, Eheim is the most expensive one but it's trouble-free. It worth the buck. If you have budget concern, you may take Atman. It's made in China. If you're going to have a chiller, I'd choose cf-1200. You know, the flow rate specified by the manufacturer is not reliable. For Atman, I'll take as much as 50% discount of the listed rate.
另外我見有一間賣水草店佢放左隻小型電子溫度針係個草缸度,我好奇睇下水溫有28.5度,我留意個草缸都係主要種迷矮、珍珠同六角苔,都種得好好喎!但我自己毎缸D珍珠草雖然無水冷,但每日都放冰罇都Keep到26至28度,就一日衰過一日,所以忽然想起果4支24W的T5管,近日發覺開左成7,8個鐘都無乜氣泡上,我估計會唔會有問題,而其他草都生得唔係咁好!但果4支管都係用左9個月咋,會唔會D光管有問題?CO2大約一秒一粒,不過近日又發現黑毛藻,可能要加番大D CO2先得,而家都KEEP住一個星期換水1/3,請大哥俾D意見,有無邊隻T5管耐用D?No way, something must be wrong. 25c is the ideal temperature for a planted tank. In my experience, at the time I did not have a chiller, my temperature was 28c. All the 珊瑚莫絲 died and other plants were not in good condition. There are thousands of reasons why there are no bubbles. A few points for your consideration:
1. Are your tubes of 6500K, e.g. Philips 865?
2. Your CO2 supply is too low. 2 bubbles per second is the bare minimum. I have 3-4 bubbles per second for my 24"x12"x14" tank.
3. You water condition may not be good enough. Try to change 1/3 each alternate day.
4. How long have your plants been there? There's a chance that your plants are still under adaption to your tank condition.
5. 7-8 hours a day? And the schedule? Well, 9:00am-5pm and 3:00pm-11:00pm are totally two different stories.
6. How long has your tank been set up?
7. 9 months almost reach the maximum life of the tubes. The quality of light would deteriorate much. That may be one of the reasons why your plants do not grow well.
8. Give us more info of your daily maintenance and post a photo here to confirm. That helps.

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Lighting: 12:00pm-9:00pm
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1. Are your tubes of 6500K, e.g. Philips 865? 用兩支白管兩支藍管,白管係10000k,全部都係24w
2. Your CO2 supply is too low. 2 bubbles per second is the bare minimum. I have 3-4 bubbles per second for my 24"x12"x14" tank. 我會慢慢加番CO2。
3. You water condition may not be good enough. Try to change 1/3 each alternate day. 你意思係唔係非常時期要每日換1/3缸水,等正常番就唔洗咁密?
4. How long have your plants been there? There's a chance that your plants are still under adaption to your tank condition. 都好耐啦!只係最前排果d矮珍株就最新,但都有成個月有多!
5. 7-8 hours a day? And the schedule? Well, 9:00am-5pm and 3:00pm-11:00pm are totally two different stories. 我係分兩段時間開燈︰12:00pm-14:00pm & 16:00pm-20:00pm
6. How long has your tank been set up? 都好耐啦!有三年幾,草同魚都換過好多,但就無試過全缸泥番新過。
7. 9 months almost reach the maximum life of the tubes. The quality of light would deteriorate much. That may be one of the reasons why your plants do not grow well. 咁講法真係要半年換一次管!
8. Give us more info of your daily maintenance and post a photo here to confirm. That helps.


重有,我晚黑會開氣泵,係缸中間果粒氣石就係啦!我認為晚上d草係需要多d氧氣,所以我由晚上8點到早上8點我係開少少氣泵,唔知咁樣會有無幫助?
我聽日會去換左果四支管先,再買番d珍株草換左前排就死果d!重有開左缸咁耐加左一次根肥,今晚要加多次,唔知加左根肥再加d黑水可唔可以加種番d太陽草,因為上次種唔到,睇左呢度網友介紹,又想試下!


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我有考慮用水冷,但家細,冇地方,最多可以考慮 十多吹外之窗台。
請問可否用喉管將水缸和水泠機連結。
又閣下可有 post 你的傑作欣賞欣賞呢 !
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mingjkli: To answer your questions:
1. Are your tubes of 6500K, e.g. Philips 865? 用兩支白管兩支藍管,白管係10000k,全部都係24w ic. So your tubes are definitely not for plants. You'd better change them all.
2. Your CO2 supply is too low. 2 bubbles per second is the bare minimum. I have 3-4 bubbles per second for my 24"x12"x14" tank. 我會慢慢加番CO2。ok.
3. You water condition may not be good enough. Try to change 1/3 each alternate day. 你意思係唔係非常時期要每日換1/3缸水,等正常番就唔洗咁密?Yes, you're right. Unless you have overloaded your tank with fishes, once a week for 1/3 should be good enough.
4. How long have your plants been there? There's a chance that your plants are still under adaption to your tank condition. 都好耐啦!只係最前排果d矮珍株就最新,但都有成個月有多!That sounds strange. Something must be wrong.
5. 7-8 hours a day? And the schedule? Well, 9:00am-5pm and 3:00pm-11:00pm are totally two different stories. 我係分兩段時間開燈︰12:00pm-14:00pm & 16:00pm-20:00pmThis is a problem. You should have at least one session of 8 hours.
6. How long has your tank been set up? 都好耐啦!有三年幾,草同魚都換過好多,但就無試過全缸泥番新過。3 years?! You have to start over again. Even if you're using ADA Amazonia I, the nutrients are already gone and the soil granules should have become powder.
7. 9 months almost reach the maximum life of the tubes. The quality of light would deteriorate much. That may be one of the reasons why your plants do not grow well. 咁講法真係要半年換一次管!Far as I know, T5HO tubes can last for 9-10 months; ADA T8 tubes can only last for 6 months.
8. Give us more info of your daily maintenance and post a photo here to confirm. That helps.

我影左三張相以作參考
重有,我晚黑會開氣泵,係缸中間果粒氣石就係啦!我認為晚上d草係需要多d氧氣,所以我由晚上8點到早上8點我係開少少氣泵,唔知咁樣會有無幫助?I don't think air pump is necessary unless you have so many fishes. If you do, on the air pump only when the light is off.
我聽日會去換左果四支管先,再買番d珍株草換左前排就死果d!重有開左缸咁耐加左一次根肥,今晚要加多次,唔知加左根肥再加d黑水可唔可以加種番d太陽草,因為上次種唔到,睇左呢度網友介紹,又想試下!"黑水" is not necessary. Again, like I said, you may consider to startover the tank again. The soil layer is already too old.

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我有考慮用水冷,但家細,冇地方,最多可以考慮 十多吹外之窗台。Sorry, I don't understand what you're saying.
請問可否用喉管將水缸和水泠機連結。Yes, of course. This is exactly how you connect the chiller and the canister.
又閣下可有 post 你的傑作欣賞欣賞呢 !I have just started over my tank. Maybe a bit later. But frankly, I'm not a pro :redface:
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我的意思是沒有地方,只能將水冷放在十多呎遠的窗台上,是否太遠呢 ?
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喇叭仔: Yes, that's too far apart. You know, even for Eheim, the maximum distance is only around 2m.

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thank. But how about the Eheim Professionel 3


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1. 咁要用咩spec的管先得?就係你提果支6500k?點解?10000k唔係好過6500k咩?
2. 分段開燈係因為咁樣會小d青苔,你對呢個睇法唔讚成?咁唔該你講下你對呢個睇法的意見!
3. 如果唔從新搞過個缸有無其他辦法?例如加d咩補充等等,因為從新搞過會好大鑊,你提及d營養無晒咁可以用d營養劑補番,d泥會變成粉狀,但我又唔覺d泥有咩事,最重要係你都見我缸內有d草都生得幾ok喎!除非我搬屋,但搬屋我會考慮買過一個大d的缸,咁所有配件都會買番d好d!如果照你意思咁樣開缸後d泥會用幾耐?一年?兩年?咁就變得好煩啦!若果係無乜好辦法我就退一步有佢啦!其實都好無意思,花成擔心機,又花數以千計的金錢,但又只係去養d價值十數圓的草同魚,重要話每逄一年半載重要從新開過缸!真係羅命! :imdead:

唔好意思,係度講d咁說話! :Orz: 不過真係好多謝你提供咁多意見俾我! :ugreat:


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thank. But how about the Eheim Professionel 3Even for the 2080 model (1,700L/Hr), the max distance is only of 2.6m. That doesn't meet your requirement.

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