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"我上街, 因為我愛香港!! "
i support it~~!!~~~!!!~~~!!!

Please (our government) stop misleading HK people la.
Most of us oppose the enatment of Article 23 in that way, not Article 23.
Don't cheat on the less educated people la.

Frankie

(I think that those who quote articles from people should clearly show the source as it will whow their political inclination.)

give you one more e.g. why we are afraid after the passing of a not well-drafted ordinance.

I have once joined a formal legal course taught by PROFESSORS from a renowned BJ univeristy (as I don't want to put them into trouble, I won't mention its name).

One of the professors told us during the class that he studied law in Beijing about twenty years ago. At that time, there are few local laws to study, in fact, they spent quite a lot of time studying law from other jurisdictions and spent a substantial part of their time studying politics. They were repeatedly taught and reminded that they had to be politically correct first (i.e., before legally correct), you could not say something you thought was legally correct but will prejudice the political party.

He hints that it is still common in PRC.

These groups of people are now heading the legal departments of the universities in PRC.

Frankie

CalderChung,

看到你的貼文令我覺得你很自相予盾.

你一方面說那些反對23條的人被其他媒介利用了, 另一方面你卻一再引述其他媒介的贊成23條文章來這裡貼, 你何嘗不是更加被人利用了嗎?

作為一個思想成熟的香港人, 應有自己的見解及看法, 不要只是拾人牙慧, 人云亦云, 希望看到是你自己的意見, 讓大家去分析及思考去認同或反對, 貼別人的文章如同抄襲, 令人厭煩, 網主或須考慮處理calderchung的東方日報文章以避免版權問題.

二十三條的具大回響, 主要原因是回歸後六年所累積下來的民怨,

這六年所累積下來的民怨, 主要原因是經濟困境和政府表現不好, 試想想, 如果今天大家還是像九七年初的經濟環境, 二十三條的回響很可能沒有現在那樣大.

經濟困境的主要原因是香港以往的經濟結構, 長期過於倚賴地產, 本土經濟主要由地產帶動, 亞洲金融風暴吹破了泡沫, 地產完了, 其他行業也被拖垮了, 也沒其他經濟活動可以代替地產從新帶動經濟, 經濟一落千丈 , 政府搖擺不定的政策對經濟活動的實質影響相對環境因素 來說是非常有限的. 我不是說政府幹得好, 而是說政府幹得好不好對經濟困境的影響有限.

以往過於倚賴地產才是問題的所在, 為什麼我們以往會過於倚賴地產? 香港以往多年是實行高地價政策, 經濟是由地產帶動, 當時發展地產是最容易賺錢的, 大部分商人都主力發展地產, 沒好好分散投資發展其他計劃. 地產泡沫爆破後什麼也沒有了. 從正面去看, 如地產泡沫到現在還未爆破, 到要爆破時, 我們跌得更慘. 泡沫爆破了加快了轉營.

為什麼地產泡沫爆破到現在香港經濟還是一缺不振? 除了環境因素和政府沒有好政策外, 最主要原因是經濟結構轉營不是幾年便可以成功的, 一個只懂發展地產的社會, 要多久才能找到另一條成功路線. 其次是香港人變了, 以往多年前香港人自力更新的精神消失了, 以前靈活變通的精神消失了, 以前的信心消失了, 不屈不撓的精神消失了, 現在只見到的是埋怨, 幸運的是香港人仍然非常努力, 如能把怨氣轉化成轉營動力, 香港
精神便會回來的, 不耍記望政府會做什麼, 沒用的. 靠自己吧.

香港以往的成功, 是因政府小做事, 小指手劃腳, 自由放任政策, 政府只做好最基本的和提供良好營商環境便足夠. 其他的由香港人自行發展吧, 香港人儲蓄了很大的力量等待釋放出來, 現在見到的只是怨氣, 希望很快能夠找到新的轉營路線, 把大家的力量正面地釋放出來.

我覺得回歸後六年, 自由是沒有小了, 單是看二十三條的發展, 社會上各種聲音, 以能證明香港的自由. 遺憾的是我們把自己看得太重.

基本上我同意上述說話, 但有一句是不同意的是政府政策的影響不大...
如果佢地做得好可能是使環境好, 什麼都不做可能是維持, 但做得不好仲要話"無講就等於無左", 我聽完真係呆左!

In fact, the head of a government, the CEO of a corporation, the headmaster of a school is very important, it sets out the goals for people to pursue and the rules for people to follow.
Just look at the Chinese history, when the king was great, the society would be wealthy and properous (unless the King used the money for other purposes).

But clearly in HK, the goals set out by Mr. Tung are random and the rules, if any, are not well considered. In fact, a lot of hearsay form public servants that even the heads of their departments do not know what to do because they don't know what Mr. Tung is thinking and his way of thinking often changes.

In addition, in fact, when we think about what a lot of people against National Security Bill. It is because from the past 6 years, especially the past several months, we don't have much confidence with our government. It is just mainly responsible for the Beijingers (say and except the period when approaching the Legislative Council election).

YES, many other countries might have worse law than the proposed bill. BUT, please don't forget their government is really a generally elected one. They will lose their reign if they do something against their citizen(supporters). But in HK, it is TOTALLY DIFFERENT, they only have to consider something which will please the Beijingers. That is why Mrs. Yip Lau said that no matter how many people oppose the Bill, they won't amend it anymore.

To:CalderChung

唔該你醒醒啦!!!成日話 二十三 條 例 的 寬 鬆,
你其實有冇認真想過,點解連大律師、醫生、學者等多個團體的專業人仕都上街,
莫非他們全部都係羊群心態!?!?!?冇學識,任人擺佈,
被人利用!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

你可能講得0岩未必個個熟讀二十三 條 例,包括我自已.
但有些條例內容實在離譜,例如:

1.)唔通你可以容忍警方隨時入你屋搜查,不需法庭手令.
2.)不可洩露國家機密, 又不能以公眾利益抗辯,
如披露政府高官貪污或不當行為,梁錦松事件??????沙士事件??????
有冇違法??????冇人肯定話到你知!!!任政府講!!!!

唔通你咁都覺得冇問題??????既然有咁多問題,
點解唔詳細研究後達致共識致推出呢????????
咩叫一國兩制, 五十年不變!!!
不過我絕對支持董建華連任,因他政冶失當,所以係我明燈,
想當年佢叫我買樓我就賣樓,如果唔肯我實變負資產!!!
冇謂再死撐,有時做人要對得住自已!!!對得住良心!!!
唔好再轉貼他人文章,犯法嫁,用下自已個思維諗0野,好唔好!?

有些人成日話反23既人俾人利用 , 睇下保皇黨搞既支持23集會就知 !!
佢地先係利用人既高手 !

CalderChung,
請醒一醒!不要只看了一篇"方向日報"的擦鞋文章而受蒙閉...!請擦亮你的眼睛吧.

無需爭辯. 各有自己o既政見.
各位友好, 明天維園準時三點見.
我地要以我地o既行動, 表達對 23 條立法o既意見.
我地要由起點出發, 唔可以俾機會政府低估我地出席遊行o既人數!

為自己出生o既地方, 做一 D 事.
為自己o既自由, 做一 D 事.

暫時未知作用有幾大,
我到過, 我表達過, 我將來就唔會後悔!

我愛我出生, 我成長o既地方.
因為呢道係我o既家.
我上街, 因為我愛香港!

真係好感觸...真的!＞ ＜"
請看看...........
http://www.rebuildhk.com/upload/71hk.mpg

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各位七一上街遊行，請小心[不懷好意]之徒，攪事倒亂。
三時維園見啦

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